This is the last regular post for a week or so, as I’ll be having a JOMO moment and will be rockin’ at the Isle of Wight Festival.
I had the inspiration to write this post after reading Ellen Hawley’s blog regarding when King John (and others) signed a document.
Ellen mentioned that Keir Hardie, the first leader of the Labour party, started work at 8 years of age and was the sole support for his family for at least some of his childhood, and taught himself to read and write at the age of about 17. He never went to school, which was typical of working class children in the 1850s/1860s.
Compare that to the MPs of today. Most (if not all) come from a grammar school or private school background. Have there ever been any parliamentarians to emerge from a failing state school? Jeremy Corbyn, current Labour leader, went to a private preparatory school and then to a grammar school, as did Theresa May. However, Mr Corbyn was one of the few who did not attend Oxbridge. It seems the current batch of MPs began life at a prep school, and then it was private school and afterwards on to Oxford or Cambridge.
Does this mean that there are no children at state schools capable of running the country? Of course not. There are many kids from working class backgrounds who could probably do a much better job than the buffoons who are currently in charge. However, they lack two things; money and the right connections.
Having parents with enough money enables a child to have a privileged private education that gives them the right ‘Old Boy’ connections to ensure they have the first dibs on a career ladder that ultimately leads to top job offers that any mother would be proud to put on Facebook.
I went to an all-girls’ school. In fact it was the very first purpose-built comprehensive school in Britain and a bit of a showpiece. Soon after I left boys were admitted for the first time, but years later it sadly lost its good reputation. However, when I was there in the early 1970s, guess how many girls went on to Oxford or Cambridge? One girl out of 2000, and she was exceptionally brainy. My husband laughed like a drain when I asked him how many kids had gone to Oxbridge from his state school. He said they probably went on to stay at Her Majesty’s pleasure instead …
I saw a programme on TV recently called ’63 Up’, where they interviewed children aged 7 and then every 7 years the adults they subsequently became were interviewed again. One 7 year old boy told us very confidently in a cut-glass accent back in the 1960s that he was going to ‘Charterhouse’ (a private school) and then on to Trinity College Cambridge. Guess what – he did! His future was all laid out for him, and did very nicely for himself in the world of law.
Another less fortunate boy from a state school was a failed jockey, and then took the ‘Knowledge’ and became a black taxi cab driver. He seemed quite content with his lot, but I suspect back in the 1970s it would not have been possible for him to gain entry to Oxbridge and become a Justice of the Peace, an MP, or a Company Director.
Nowadays Oxbridge has had to become less elite and accept students from disadvantaged backgrounds, and this is all to the good. Who knows what brilliant young minds might emerge from state schools who otherwise would not have had the opportunities normally only afforded to the rich?
My sons never went to University – they didn’t want to go. It suited us, as we couldn’t have afforded to send them. They started 5 year apprenticeships down on the factory floor – sweeping up and making tea. Twenty years on one is a General Manager and the other is a Regional Manager. It took them 20 years to get there, but if they’d gone to private school or Oxbridge I suspect the journey would have been much shorter. However, it does prove that you can get there eventually if you work really hard … and they have. Could they have got into Parliament? Who knows? Neither of them ever considered it. We had no connections and not much money and they messed about in school (the eldest son’s school career was abysmal) but luckily they still came out okay.
So… is success due to the right school? Yes, it helps enormously, but if a child is prepared to put in the hard work I think they can still make a success of life whichever school they go to.
Phil Huston said:
Or, as Kurt Vonnegut said – If you can do a half assed job of anything you are a one eyed man in a kingdom of the blind.
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Phil Huston said:
My daughter is an attorney. My wife has a PhD. I am a guy who walked out of my plan not long after the beginning of year two. The truth is, as your sons are evidence, if you master a skill and can communicate without drooling you have a good chance of earning a living. In law school my daughter was highly competitive with her peers as the saying was – A students became federal, trial, corporate attorneys or judges, B students became ambulance chasers and C students became politicians.
The heat was on to avoid a political future.
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dgkaye said:
So many WP glitches lately, I can’t comment it keeps disappearing, especially when I try to share. Enjoy your getaway! x Hope this one goes through. I gave up on sharing my opinion 3 times.
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Stevie Turner said:
It’s gone through!
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dgkaye said:
Miracles never cease to amaze, lol
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debbiejonesalwaysamused said:
Very interesting, Stevie, especially after watching 63 Up..what a fascinating series it’s been to watch over all these years. I remember being amazed that children so young already had their future education mapped out! I know what you mean about the education of politicians, all going down the same route, but it’s interesting that people in a lot of influential positions never went to grammar schools or university. Often they’re entrepreneurs, like Richard Branson & Alan Sugar, who just have great ideas, enthusiasm, determination & work hard to see those ideas through to their ultimate success.
Your sons sound like the perfect example, how satisfying, good on them!
Have a brilliant time at the festival..rock ‘n’ roll! \m/
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Stevie Turner said:
Thanks Debbie. Yes my sons have worked hard to get where they are today.
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tidalscribe said:
I love 7 up and always watch it. And yes it seems to have proved upper class can get where their parents planned. Though the Yorkshire farm boy turned into a scientist. Our local comprehensive – well at least our children mixed with all sorts of people. We produced a head boy, head girl and a truant! A wing commander, a physiotherapist with first class degree and a less than 5 A-C GCSES! If you have brains or ambition you can get on. Our youngest has done all sorts of things and become A builder and pyrotechnics expert – at least he can do our new bathroom for us!
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Stevie Turner said:
How can the upper classes automatically get to Oxbridge? Money changing hands? Surely not all upper class children are clever enough, and yet their future is planned from a very young age. My daughter-in-law had to pass an entry exam set by Cambridge University itself in order to gain a place there. How can every single one of the upper class children be sure of passing the entry exams? Do they actually have to take the entry exams in the first place I wonder?
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Peter's pondering said:
Enjoy your JOMO time!
My father was a farm labourer and he and Mum managed somehow to get 3 children through Grammar School. My elder sister was 12 years older than me and Mum and Dad had to borrow money from her to buy my school uniform. None of us went to University!
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Stevie Turner said:
In my day you didn’t go to Uni unless you wanted to become a doctor, teacher or lawyer etc. Now there are hundreds of courses and so the world and his wife have a degree, which devalues them a bit, I think.
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Peter's pondering said:
Yes, but we are discouraged from telling the obvious truth! Unfortunately it seems to be no more than a money making venture now, selling degrees!
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Stevie Turner said:
Surprise, surprise, just like everything else.
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jwebster2 said:
I went to a red brick Grammar School in Barrow-in-Furness. Looking back the majority of the parents would be working class, tradesmen in the shipyard or similar jobs. That’s the sort of town it was. Posh was working in a bank as a cashier 🙂
It was a bad year when we didn’t send at least three or four to Oxbridge but then the attitude was that we could go anywhere and do anything. A high proportion went on to do some sort of Engineering at the better Northern Universities but Oxbridge was always on the agenda
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Stevie Turner said:
My first 2 years of secondary education were spent at a grammar school, but then my parents moved from East London to South East London and I had to change schools. It was one of those old-fashioned schools where the teachers wore capes and mortar boards, and the cane hung on a wall in the headmaster’s study. There were only 300 children there, but the secondary school I attended later suited me better.
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jwebster2 said:
Only some of our masters wore capes, and fewer during the years. There was a cane, all schools with boys as pupils had one on this town 🙂
But the attitude, the underlying assumption was that any boy who went through that school got as good an education as anybody and was pretty much as good as anybody.
The girl’s school next door had pretty much the same attitude, but no cane
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robertawrites235681907 said:
You have presented some interesting ideas here, Stevie. Good post.
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Stevie Turner said:
Thank you.
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